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Posted by: Peter Massey | 14.07.2011
This isn’t a complaint ( it will be if Avis take money from my credit card). It’s feedback to help Avis improve
It relates to this Tuesday 12th July Belfast City Airport
Buying
a) I tried to book a same day before I left for the airport ( a last minute flight to spend a short surprise evening for my better half’s birthday !!) – the website froze when getting to the car choice/before offering prices. You could click on the car but nothing would happen. Tried several ways and couldn’t get past it. It was either a technical problem or the agent later suggested it was because it was a same day booking which the website cant do – if so then please add that message rather than just “hanging” on me!
b) During this and other recent searches I was getting frequent webchat prompts – its really annoying. If you are doing this during “dwell” times – why not spend the time improving the layout and presentation of your website as a better avoidance of the need for service, rather than adding an additional customer effort and cost to you. If you are going to offer webchat why not put a clear button on the pages so I can choose when to use it ( and a clear phone offer button too)
c) When I did use the webchat the agent told me I’d have to phone as he couldn’t book – surely if the chat is there to improve conversion you need to give them that function? He (“James”) gave me the number and then “hung up” on me – ie he closed the conversation before I could ask anything else. I suggest you improve your training on conversation etiquette
d) I phoned on the way to the airport and got straight through. The agent had trouble hearing me – mobiles aren’t ideal – but considerably hindered by the background noise in the call centre. It didn’t sound like Manchester or Barcelona – have you outsourced?
e) I made the booking including my wizard number and credit card – he handled it quickly and well ( it seemed…)
Pick up
f) First off the flight and straight through – only one guy in front of me at the desk but it must have been a complex one and there was only one member of staff. A couple of guys behind the screen behind the desk as I walked up were perhaps going off shift as it was 3.47 and a bank holiday in Belfast. I know the time as I texted as I walked up and checked it ten mins later when I saw the stop watches on the counter saying £20 voucher if you wait more than 3 minutes – I didn’t bother picking one up and I never got offered a £20 voucher
g) The lady ( Sandra) apologised for delay when she’d finished ( about 5 past 4) and said she’d not been able to have keys ready as my credit card had failed. I asked the digits and they weren’t recognisable. She said that was what was recorded with my wizard number when I first registered it online – I said it couldn’t be. (Mystery solved later). We used my credit card – all fine. Signed the bits and went to car.
h) Off to car park and found car. Doh – scratches not marked on the sheet. This happens a lot. Avis car park cabin isn’t occupied – drat. Wondering whether to bother going back to the terminal when I notice the paperwork is not in my name – ah that explains the credit card issue. It’s a booking for 5 days, not 14 hours, so I can start to imagine the future credit card bill I’ll no doubt get to sort out. I look for a phone number on the paperwork to ring the desk – not there, so off I trek back to the terminal
i) No queue and we sort out the credit card and another car in short order. The car has 5 dings marked on the paperwork – this doesn’t bode well as I’m betting there’s more. Why is that car in service? I ask for a phone number and Sandra offers to ring me in 5 mins to check with me
j) I go back out to the cars and guess what – the car has some dings missing and some additional ones. Final straw is the tank isn’t on the full marker. I’m outta here. Sandra rings and I am not happy. I walk back and insist on her sorting out the credit card here and now as I’m going elsewhere. She can’t – I have to ring…… I ring and hand her my phone while I go the next desk and get a car “with no dings in it please”. It takes 2 mins, is bigger for the same price and has no dings. I retrieve my phone and take the desk phone number and Sandra’s name in case the bill becomes a problem. She’s “not allowed” to give out her surname – what’s that about ! Maybe the sign for disgruntled customers on an Avis call centre door in Oklahoma gives a clue

Its now an hour after I came to the desk first time. That’s one hour out of an evening and a mood that isn’t fit to take to a birthday surprise visit!! I take my time on the 30 min drive and wonder why I didn’t just phone a cab
Post event
k) At 5.30 next morning I drop the car back and tweeted a question using #avis . I’ve seen no response
l) Today I’m booking again – shall I use Avis? There isn’t anywhere to give suggestions on your website. The “we try harder” site now looks corporate rather than a forum to give feedback – I couldn’t find anywhere obvious to post. I can only find the complaints email address.
m) I write this journey down in an email – but haven’t sent it yet. Why go to the effort? Avis used to be a really nice client 10 years ago and I’ve used them ever since. I love Angie Court’s passion – is she being missed in Avis UK?
This example shows a typical multichannel customer journey and I can use it as an example. It’s a useful lesson on how the different channels don’t hang together and how some upstream decisions affect the experience eg car condition policy before fixing them, eg resourcing for staff in car park and at desk to do the job fully eg better sound deadening/ microphones in call centre. In isolation some are minor issues, some major – but the real issue is how they add up. This is typical of what causes complaints – no one thing.
More importantly it shows how customer effort can creep into every step. Avis is normally a great example of “The Best Service Is No Service” with very little customer effort – go online, book, pick up key, drop car.
n) The good news ( so far …) is that Avis haven’t taken anything off my credit card
The bottom line
Avis just lost my two bookings for Italy in August – one cost £700+ and the other cost £300.
Have they lost me forever? It depends what happens next. I wont send by email yet, I’ll tweet this and see what happens.
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Posted by: Peter Massey | 9.03.2011
What’s the most basic service requirement a customer wants from their mobile phone company? An accurate bill? A call centre that answers the phone? No – making and receiving phone calls would be the most basic thing. And it’s become a challenge. The best service is no service has been taken too literally!
I’m old enough to remember when MF tone dialling replaced pulse tone dialling – what does that mean? The phone at the other end started ringing the millisecond you pressed the last digit on the phone. Oh how I wish I could get that on my mobile phone. Some days, working in Soho as we do, I just wish I could make a call after any length of delay. Or just receive a call rather than picking up delayed voicemails on the way home.
It’s not a problem of reception or signal strength, just network congestion. Too many customers doing too many things.
My dilemmas as a customer are simple: Buy out of the contract and move. Or not. I dont have a common sense option of being let out of contract to get a service that works where & when I work.
The dilemmas as a business are slightly different. At a customer by customer level: let the customer out of the contract so they can get service from someone else. Or keep them locked in and take the money. “Bad profits” as Don Peppers calls it. At an investment level: spend many millions ahead of the growth curve to give good access to the services sold. Or slow down products going to market so the network always works. Or keep selling services and don’t worry about it.
So let me sit in the CEO’s chair: What data would I need to answer the question and do the right thing, or at least optimise the outcome? If I am CEO what do I do?
The first issue would be “How will I judge my success?” : Revenue lost/not lost over the next 12 months? Lifetime value of a customer lost times the number of customers lost versus the investment costs in the network? Or just living our values and doing the right thing? With any of these criteria surely it should be an easy decision.
But what about shareholder expectations? Do they want the best answer for this quarter, for this year or the next 5 years? Do they want anything other than a financial or customer head count? Can they judge the future financial value of the change in a short term retention figure? Will they judge your dip in growth of customers, or your long term revenue prospects?
And what if you only run marketing, or only new sales, or only retentions, or only revenues or only service? How much do you need to optimise the overall success of the business vs your target or result?
These problems surface all over the business. The staff you talk to as a customer live with it everyday. They tell you so. People in store, in contact centres dealing with queries about network congestion which they cannot resolve. They become numb to it. There’s nothing they can do to change it.
Or is there?
As CEO or agent or silo head or customer, I can look on the customer forum and see that 83229 customers from 110078 have viewed a tech support entry called “calls go straight to voicemail”. Its the biggest issue. By far. And its been running from 2008 til now. And the manufacturer is getting a dirty name as their phone is being blamed.
Reading the original thread, I can see the problem explained “I have a 3g {phone} and am having some problems. The fault is intermitant but happens on a frequent basis. When people call me the call goes straight to voicemail. If they leave a message it can take up to 2 hrs to come through. Also text message are arriving upto the same period after people send them. Sometimes it can take upto 30 secs to connect a call. I have been speaking to second line support at {telco} but they have thus far no answer. I am on my 3rd {phone} and second sim card. I am begining to think I may not be destined for a {phone}. If this continues will they change the handset for a different model ?”
You don’t have to read many posts to realise that customers, collectively, have eliminated all the options and some have worked out its not the phone or the sim – there’s a problem of congestion on the network. Yet tons of resource is still going into swapping phones and sims out.
In fact looking at all the forums there’s only one bigger issue with 153k reads – “Network down”. In fact that runs since 2008.
So maybe the network investment deserves some attention?
But as CEO, or silo head, I need real data to size the problem. This is where our WOCAS processes come in. They can help size the problem, rate the impact problem, root cause the problem, investigate the commercial opportunities around it and put it into a prioritisation framework. And if acted on, track & communicate those actions, transparently. If management wants to do this we know how to do this.
At the moment this provider seems not to be seeing the most basic service problem and no amount of sticking plaster or great measurement system or recovery care service will help that. No amount of “score me” post call feedback is going to help them see it.
Only if they start to talk about the problem openly will staff feel optimism, the investment get to the top of the agenda and customers think differently of them.
If giffgaff ran this network – how would it look then? What data would be published about network performance? What would be done about it? How much more money would it generate by doing the right thing?
And that’s the issue that faces CEOs everywhere – there’s no hiding place in the social world. if you are not open and transparent you face two problems. Customers know anyway and have the tools to share that knowledge. Staff know and if they can’t do anything about it then how do they feel?
I’m off to search the other communities to see who has least congestion problems. Apart from the company that locked me in for a year when they had no network coverage 21 years ago ( thats about £50k of revenue they have missed out on so far ) and the one that didnt want to help me 2 years ago when my phone was stolen and I needed a new phone straight away.
Customers have long memories when it comes to “doing the right thing”. I have a memory of pressing a button and the phone ringing immediately at the other end. Have phones gone backward since 1976? Or from when they were invented: March 10th 1876?
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Posted by: Peter Massey | 7.09.2010

Boris Johnson during the launch of the capital's 'Summer of Cycling' in front of the London Eye Photo: GLA/PA Wire
Having launched a few businesses of my own and taken part in several others, I’m always fascinated by what it takes to get from idea to success. Its been great fun watching Boris’ bike scheme lift off over the past few weeks. I can rattle on for hours about start ups but I’d like to focus on a couple of factors in this 2 wheel enterprise – engagement and learning.
In Boris’ Barclays Bike scheme, it’s been interesting to see these factors develop. The blurb and the website are all about engagement with members, getting involved. But in reality that’s not happening.
I’m an avid fan of the scheme, love the cycling, it’s brilliant but I am about to give up on it. Because getting rid of a bike in central London is proving a nightmare – worse than a parking space ! Just checking on the fab real time iphone app now as I pull into London. All the docking stations are full around where I want to go in Soho and so there’s no point taking a bike. Got to go up to Holborn – all showing full. I risk it and end up “parking” in the last space near Covent Garden. I take one out to St Paul’s, it’s full but eventually I get rid by standing and waiting. I don’t chance one back to London Bridge which says full on the app.
Why is this still so after several weeks?
There’s a great big obvious design problem. All the bike racks are full of bikes. There are the same number of bikes as racks in the system. Its like playing that kids game of moving the 8 letters around a 9 space square, only there are 9 letters and 9 squares and no space to move. All the customers know this. Because when they gather around docking stations in frustration they talk about it.
The front line staff all know it – because if you do get through by phone, they say the know there’s a problem. But try and suggest anything and its “talk to the hand”. I’ve tried talking to the hand – email – and got no sense of listening, only reasons for things and complaint handling language – which isn’t what I was trying to do. The staff sound brow beaten already.
They had a poor guy on one of the stations in Soho Square yesterday to collect bikes in piles – a temporary solution…… He looked so dejected from the “advice” he was getting from customers who have been so frustrated – because they all love the scheme and want it to work.
The difficulty is that Boris’ Bike Scheme isn’t designed to listen. I’ve tried. By phone, by email, in person.
I ask my favourite question of what they’d do if I gave them feedback and its obvious there is no formal listening process. It’s a member only launch so they get it right according to the letters – but they cant “listen” so how will they get it right?
So if anyone reads this at the scheme or at Boris’s office or at sponsor Barclays, here’s 3 easy things you can do to make it feel like it isn’t a bike scheme designed by a bank
a) Put the stickers on all the maps at all the terminals not just some – the stickers that say some of the terminals don’t exist yet
b) Take bike capacity out of the system to make it work- most of the time there are just too many bikes standing and not enough space. OK, when you have many more members and more bikes are on the move, then add capacity back but not yet
c) Put in a formal listening system, make it part of front line people’s jobs to learn and feedback what customers know. Make it part of manager’s jobs to aggregate the feedback and identify top issues, allocate them to the right people and fix them in real time.
If you don’t, you’re going to build a business that’s great at having crises and fixing them. Whereas a smart business would be good at listening and avoiding problems.
For those of you starting a business, here’s a few thoughts about launching and listening:
1) It’s never “right” from the outset, despite the best planning and design. You have to build in room to change. Look at Egg, starting as an online proposition that rapidly had to move to telephone.
2) The take off ramp sets the trajectory for the business. A classic comparison is when Orange and Mercury One2One launched in the UK. Orange built brand and capacity and credibility with customers. A much slower acquisition of customers who in turn recruited others and so it became large – imagine a growth curve that looked like a smooth but steepening slope. Whereas One2One decided to give free calls in the evening, the first time anything like that had been done. Instantly capacities were overwhelmed in all directions and the business shot up to shoot down again – imagine a growth curve of an oscillation.
3) Staff think it’s brilliant on day one – well if they don’t what’s wrong with you !
4) Staff talk to customers lots right from the start so they know the issues from 100s of conversations about the same things. If nothing gets done about these things they weary quickly.
5) Customers spot everything so they can talk about the issues intimately. And many can see the solutions with clarity. And if you don’t fix the dumb stuff, they will tell their friends. Reputation is very important to adding customers. ‘”Customer effort” is very important to growth.
6) How fast you learn and react to what customers know is critical to your growth trajectory. Client WorldPay is a great case in mind, sold recently for £2billion. When we put in place the listening processes in 2003 they were tiny. The CEO knew he could grow much faster if he didn’t have to build infrastructure to cope with dumb things.
7) Consistency is more important than being brilliant at some things and cracks appearing elsewhere. I love the bike scheme – but if the basics aren’t fixed soon then it will fall out of use for me
Better to put the listening, learning and action processes in place before you launch not after when the business is ‘bigger” or the cracks have started to appear. Listening to customers is something that is so simple to design in, so hard to add later costing millions, but more importantly making your business ordinary, destroying differentiation. Companies like Amazon, Skype and Google grew without marketing costs because they were so easy, so on target and so word of mouth.
So here’s wishing luck and listening to Boris’ Barclays Bike Scheme – but more than luck I wish you ears.
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Posted by: Ian Mapp | 23.04.2010
The UK General Election has accelerated the interest in what is called ‘social media’ – in this context meaning Twitter, Facebook, Bebo, etc. And in particular, how these new ways of communicating with people can be used to win the election.
A lot of this has to do with the perception that the use of these new tools was hugely influential to Barack Obama’s success in the US Presidential election. We can debate whether this is true or not, but my purpose here is only to recognise that social media has become widely acknowledge and discussed. I want to look at the potential impact social media may have on business.
The current news items are only the public face of a debate that began some time ago in the business and government worlds. But what the added attention has done is move the topic of social media up the corporate agenda – and no doubt many will rush to ‘”do something”, to be seen to be doing something and not to get left behind.
Like most bandwagons, and especially technology-led ones, it pays to be cautious and spend time thinking – hard – about what you want to achieve by engaging in these new forms of communication. In amongst the uncertainty about how organisations should react to this change in customer behaviour, one thing does seem to be certain. There is no going back once you have started.
Many groups and forums are springing up to address this area, many of which are ill-informed and offering poor advice. But, there is lots of valuable thinking and sharing being done as this new area is explored. One that I like is called Social CRM Pioneers. It has somewhat of a technology slant (which suits my background) but there are some very informative and insightful conversations being had there.
The first question is how to start – what should be done first? There is no single right answer to that, as individual circumstances differ massively, but here are a few thoughts for you.
Your customers have always been having these conversations between themselves about your products and services (although with less reach and fewer people to listen). You now have the possibility to ‘overhear’ what they are saying in these public communities and networks and, if you are careful and respectful, the possibility to be invited into the conversations and maybe influence attitudes and opinions.
How will this change in customer behaviour affect your corporate culture? Firstly, remember, your employees are customers too – and will be feeling this change first-hand in their everyday lives. So, you probably already have a lot of knowledge internally. Perhaps, you could start by asking employees about their experiences and how they would like brands to interact with them in this environment? Start an internal conversation as a precursor to external conversations.
The rise of Customer Relationship Management (CRM) systems over the last fifteen years should have been accompanied by corporate adaptation to a more customer-centric model, although in most cases only the technology was implemented. Maybe, in this new social revolution we should be building ‘people-centric’ organisations.
That is, not companies facing off to individual customers (remember the ‘market of one’ and 360 degree customer views?) but individual people in organisations building trust and relationships with individual prospects and customers over time and through multiple channels and media – whether that be for marketing, sales or service needs. That would mean organising internally to meet customers’ needs and not simply organising for efficiency.
Oh, and don’t forget that there are a large number of customers who do not not participate in online communities and social media. Their needs must not be overlooked in the seeming stampede for this new promised land.
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Posted by: Ian Mapp | 11.03.2010
One of our ‘truths’ is that customers and staff that interact directly with customers already know a lot about issues and problems … and often how to solve them. Listening to their stories is often inspiring. The following was inspired by a customer advisor on a recent client engagement.
View from the front
| We the unheeded, doing the unneeded. |
| Showing the unknowing. |
| Too much pressing, too many stressing. |
| The unneeded our undoing. |
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| Talk more, rest less. |
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| Always collecting, something new to show, |
| never reflecting, learning from what we know. |
| The knowing unheeded, bright new world unweeded. |
| Doing the unneeded, defection speeded. |
| |
| They talk, I squeeze. |
| They talk, I breeze. |
| I talk, they freeze. |
| I talk – on their knees! |
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| I hear them, they are my feed. |
| I hear them, know what they need. |
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| Now is the time to hear me speak. |
| Now is the time to heed the call. |
| Now is the time to follow my lead. |
| I’m undoing the unneeding, starting now. |

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Posted by: Ian Mapp | 29.07.2009
My heart sank as I entered the check-in hall at Luton airport – a massive queue for the Dortmund flight desks. Not sure why I was surprised as I have had this experience before, but I was. Also a bit angry at the anticipated waste of time. And waste of time it almost was.
Standing in the queue, brain in neutral, I was idly thinking that I hadn’t looked at Twitter for several days, and I pulled out my phone to check the latest messages. Somehow, the trivial nature of Twitter content seemed a soothing prospect.
Naturally, my frustration with standing in the queue led to a tweet: “easyJet check-in queue not moving at all”. To be completely truthful, it took two tweets as the predictive text on my phone managed to put ‘doping’ instead of ‘moving’ the first time. I later discovered that the input language was set to German – I guess we will never know if it was my mistake, or over-eagerness by a super-intelligent phone, as I stood queuing for a flight to Germany!
I felt no better having sent the message and so resorted to talking to those around me, who were equally unhappy at the mystifying delay. I finally checked in after a one hour wait and the rest of the journey was completed perfectly satisfactorily.
At some point, it occurred to me that I had heard someone from easyJet was active on Twitter and so the next morning, with a few minutes to spare before a meeting, I opened up my laptop and logged back in.
Sure enough, there was a reply from @easyJetCare: “easyJetCare @imptwo I will pass your feedback on to Liz our airport manager for Luton. Usually they move pretty quickly. Hope you had a good flight ^PH”.
A Wow! moment. Direct customer engagement from easyJet, I was genuinely impressed. I had to test how far this would go and so responded: “imptwo @easyJetCare thanks for replying – others around me were unhappy with the 1 hour wait too. It’s raining here – can u fix that too?
”.
Again a reply – in a couple of hours: “easyJetCare@imptwo
I will follow up, it is essential that you are informed about your delays. I wish I could fix the rain but I’m not that good
^PH”. This exchange now had a real human feel about it, and, curiously, just getting a response did make me feel better.
Nothing had actually changed and I am pretty sure the experience will be repeated. And the defence that a low-prices means low standards only goes so far; there are minimum standards of treatment and respect to which everyone is entitled.
But, a simple human contact (albeit technology-mediated), tempered with a little humour and I am prepared to forgive – which I guess makes me the very epitome of a loyal easyJet customer. Do you think I should worry about myself?
What it does demonstrate is the powerful principle that delivering a service of any kind is a person-to-person transaction, and don’t ever forget it when designing customer experiences. Now, if only easyJet were to send me a “you said, we did” message to let me know what has changed as a result of my feedback, that would be a great end to the story ….
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Posted by: Peter Massey | 22.02.2009
I was asked 3 questions about contact centres for a website recently and I thought I’d share them with you:
1) What was the biggest challenge facing the contact centre industry in the last 12 months and how did they overcome it?
Whilst there are sexy new things we’re doing like customer help customer, analytics and new ways of knowledge sharing, its really about the same old challenges to brilliant operating basics that should be the focus for managers who are making big strides.
TOP OF THE LONG LIST OF INTERACTING BASICS ARE :
- a) Why customers have to contact you at all
- b) How the business model changes to focus on removing unnecessary contact, driving excellence in self service and engaging the whole business in removing root causes of frustrations and listening to feedback and intelligence from the contact points
- c) Operating effectively to meet demand
- d) Understanding what knowledge the website and staff need to answer customer needs
- e) the role of contact centres in providing feedback and intelligence to the rest of the business; and how to get the mountains of customer feedback gathered around the business to be useful
2) What are the key issues you expect the industry to be tackling in the next 12-18 months?
- a) Embedding new business wide processes that remove at least 20% of unit costs every year by using feedback and what front line staff know to drive change
- b) The move to customer help customer model causing the role of contact centres to change rapidly
- c) The same ones as before on brilliant basics of running contact centres and self service channels
3) Could you give us some insights on how companies can stop doing stupid things to their customers and the benefits it is bringing to their organisations?
Our mission is “How do we stop doing dumb things to our customers and our people?” so we have lots to say on this topic. If I can paraphrase the question – the most successful businesses are removing things systematically by installing and embedding new company-wide management processes based on a different kind of data. The least successful businesses keep kicking off analysis and then generating projects to fix things: we call this “it’s raining projects”. The least successful businesses are swamped with the feedback they request from customers, but don’t act on. For more contact peter.massey@budd.uk.com or take a look at www.budd.uk.com
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Posted by: Peter Massey | 4.04.2008
first direct’s withdrawal of mortgages to new customers took the news by storm yesterday. It wasn’t a surprise. As we reported on the 11th of Feb blog entry, it was evident the product was selling “too well”.
So how come it took til now to do something? Why did it have to reach crisis point? I wonder who’s getting what blame?
But they did get brave and do the right thing. Look after the existing customers and the ones who already applied and stop taking more business that couldn’t be handled properly.
Bravo!
Listening to customers it must have been evident it had to happen. I wonder why they didnt just up the rates a bit in February and take more business at a higher margin, avoiding the negative publicity and “first rock” factor?
It’s interesting that there’s now a BBC Today programme on Saturdays that’s designed to do exactly this. Pick up the stories from the customers before the journalists can.
What our customers are saying is in the public domain. Shouldn’t you be picking it up in your business first?
Talk to us about the “what our customers are saying” process
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Posted by: Peter Massey | 3.03.2008
I sit blogging this whilst my daughter is in theatre at Maidstone Hospital – yes that one that made all the press for MRSA deaths. So it wasn’t without trepidation that we approached the place. It’s a toe curling place to be – or rather toe uncurling to be precise – that’s the minor operation she’s in for.
Beth’s last lesson on Friday had been doing TLAFSSOS…three letter acronym for social studies or something… talking about hospital infections. Online yesterday I discovered from a contact in S Africa the sad news that someone I met last year died from complications after an operation. One of Beth’s friends was in intensive care for a month 2 years ago after a minor op here.
What sticks in my mind from a few years ago, was the difference between the private hospital in Tunbridge Wells and public hospital there. Yes the other half of the Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust once run by the infamous Rose Gibb. She that made the news for chasing targets and the resultant dirty hospitals that killed many. She’s still the signature in the “Welcome to our hospital” book today.
But far from being about slagging off the NHS, this is a story of reassurance. Walking into reception at 7.30am this morning, the place was awash ( no pun…) with cleaners. Every corner looks spotless. Every uniform freshly pressed. Every entrance to every ward has disinfecting hand washes and everyone uses them. Whilst sitting in the room waiting, someone has been in and cleaned the toilet. Someone else has waashed down the surfaces, someone else has vacuumed the floors and finally someone else has mopped them. One of the toilets is marked for deep clean 030308 (heh happy 5th birthday to telco 3, launched on 030303 !).
So I can see cleanliness is a top priority. There are no inspectors, just people everywhere paying attention to cleanliness.
There are at least 4 lessons to draw from the tragic history of this place:
- The business of this NHS Trust became focused on its shareholders, the money men, not on its customers, the patients
- The targets set by its shareholders did not reflect the most basic needs of its customers
- Neither the management nor the shareholders would listen to the customers, even when they were dying, because of cost targets that would ultimately cost a lot of money
- The waste of life stands out: the cost now of keeping it clean must be high, but not so high as the price of a death, let alone 100 deaths
It’s about the focus and stamina of the leaders really.
I remember hearing Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney talk last year at ECMW. When he ran Universal, he was frustrated that he could never keep the toilets as fastidiously clean as at Disney. So he called the then CEO of Disney and asked what was the secret. He discovered 3 things:
- Whenever I visit a Disney operation of any kind, the first thing I do is go to the toilets. If I have to pick up paper from the floor myself, I do so. But hell breaks loose if I ever have to do it twice
- The secret is cleaning the toilets most when they are most used eg every 15 minutes at lunch time
- It wasn’t difficult. It just had to be a high priority. And stay a high priority.
So as I relax and wait for Beth to come into post op, I ask you these questions from the 4 lessons:
1. Is your business really focused on the basic needs of your customers, not the money? “Show me the money!”, as the film Jerry McGuire illustrated, just isn’t going to cut it in the 21st century.
2. If you know the most basic needs of your customers, are your metrics about those needs and are they calibrated to match what customers say?
3. Do you capture what your customers are saying? Yes? And do your management priorities get set by what they are saying?
4. The cost of waste hopefully isn’t as evident as at this NHS Trust, but do you really know what it is?
Is every customer of your business as relaxed using your business as I can be sat here?
If you’re not sure, type you company name followed by “sucks” into Google and see what comes out.
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